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Liberal thinking is dangerous

I read a blog comment from a guy today who said that joy riding for the sake of joy riding is bad for the planet. He almost called it a crime. As a conservative American I take exception to that idea.

Here in America we have an idea called freedom. Freedom to do what we want as long as it does not hurt anyone else. I do not see how joyriding can hurt anyone else, unless you view the idea through the liberal prism.

Liberals have a tendency to see anything that anyone does as a possible way to hurt someone else. They especially like to show how something that I do can hurt someone else if it will forward the liberal agenda. But I would argue that most of what they are considering as hurting someone is in an indirect manner and not in a direct manner. That way of thinking is increasingly becoming damaging to this country.

I can prove that anything that I do is bad for someone else. If I get up and drink water today, I am using water that someone else could have used. If I turn on my lightbulb I am using electricity that someone else could have used. What if I could show that my use of either the water or the electricity was not as valid as some other person's use of them. What if another person needs the electricity to run some kind of oxygen machine that they need to breathe? Am I entitled to turn on the light when I need it if they need it more? Am I hurting them?

Possibly in an indirect manner, but not in a direct manner. If everything that we do can be shown to injure someone else, what is left? Can we do anything? Do we need legislation against doing anything that may possibly injure someone else? There are some who would say yes.

There are some people, evidenced by the joyriding is a crime guy, who believe that someone needs to decide when we can use water, electricity, gas, and food. If I buy gas, am I not entitled to use it any way that I see fit? Or do we need some guy, like the joyriding is a crime guy, to decide how I should use my gas?

Maybe we should all decide that he is not entitled to turn on his computer. There are better uses of electricity. Maybe he should not get to eat today. He is a bit overweight and there are better uses of food. He should not get to use his cell phone today. The radio waves hurt other people. He should not be allowed to talk today. There are better uses of oxygen. He wears glassses and does not look like a physically stong person. He is probably not healthy. Do we need physically weak people taking up space on the planet?

Liberal thinking is dangerous.

Comment balloon 65 commentsKevin Robinson • June 12 2008 10:34AM

Comments

Kevin, you really need to get out more. Stop with the labeling already.

Posted by Jennifer Monastero, The Matchmaker over 10 years ago

Jennifer what do you think about the idea though?

Posted by Kevin Robinson, Fractional Developer over 10 years ago

Kevin,

Something in your post reminded me of when I used to be a Union Worker.  Well, lets just say, I didn't fit well in a union.

One time, we were in contract negotiation time and we were told by the union leadership it would be in our best interest to not work any overtime until we came to an agreement.  I was all for it.  You know, people sticking together for a good cause, etc...  Well after the first week of me saying no, only to see someone who was gung ho union working overtime at MY position, that was the end of that.  I made alot of money that summer and it was usually me and one other guy in there.  I bought my house with the use of that money!!

Posted by John Hersey, e-PRO Realtor (Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Homesale Realty) over 10 years ago

Kevin- what idea? That joy-riding is bad for the environment? I read a blog post once on off-roading (I like dirt biking) and someone basically said 'while our men and women are off dying in a foreign country, why should we be here cruising around eating up oil- the reason the are dying'... not something anyone wants to think about... but food for thought...

Posted by Jennifer Monastero, The Matchmaker over 10 years ago

John I also was in a union. A very powerful one. We went on strike. I could not afford it so I crossed the line. All of the typical things happened to me and my car. After 6 weeks of no work we got a 10 cent raise. A lot of guys told me I was the smart one since I actually kept working. I got even smarter and quit about a month later. I, like you, did not fit in a union. We are probably a bit to self-motivated.

Posted by Kevin Robinson, Fractional Developer over 10 years ago

Kevin,

Self motivated, you got that right!  My co-workers would tell me not to do so much or they would raise the standards, etc...  Well, they (the current standards) must be too low and they (co-workers) were too lazy!!

My company would give out gift certificates, yes we did not have gift cards then, to people who hit a certain "bench mark" in a shift.  Well, I bought a swing set with my gift certificates.  That was a lot of bench marks and a lot of crap from co-workers telling me to slow down.  I love it!!  Needless to say, that is why I had to get out of there.  Liberal mind set was not good to hang around!

Posted by John Hersey, e-PRO Realtor (Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Homesale Realty) over 10 years ago

 If you want the link to this guys ridiculous comment let me know. I still cant believe that this clown thinks joyriding is a crime.

Posted by Kevin Robinson, Fractional Developer over 10 years ago

No thanks, I am trying to stay away from certain people.

Posted by John Hersey, e-PRO Realtor (Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Homesale Realty) over 10 years ago

Yeah me too. I got fired up on this one though. Some fool trying to tell us how we can use the gas that we pay for.

Posted by Kevin Robinson, Fractional Developer over 10 years ago

yes, I'd like to see the link...

Posted by Jennifer Monastero, The Matchmaker over 10 years ago

Go to Simon's blog about where McCain and Barack stand on housing. The comment is by some guy named John MacArthur posted on 6-9. I cant get the link to paste right now.

Posted by Kevin Robinson, Fractional Developer over 10 years ago

Kevin, If you stop breathing you won,t be wasting oxygen, I wish the liberals would try that

Posted by Hugh Krone, Realtor, Sussex County NJ (Weichert Referral Associates) over 10 years ago

Everybody now ... Breathe Deep!

Posted by Jason Sardi, Your Agent for Life (Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina) over 10 years ago

Kevin- your immature comment on Simon's blog makes me wonder why I even comment on your blog.

 

Hugh- nice "Christian" values you are spreading around. Makes me cringe. Also reminds me why I am proud to NOT call myself a Christian. Why would I want to associate with such hypocritical, hateful people such as yourself?

Posted by Jennifer Monastero, The Matchmaker over 10 years ago

Kevin - I also saw your comment to John on Simon's blog, you may want to reconsider the 'tone' of it.  Kind of nasty and unneeded man.  Discussion & Debate is one thing but let's try to be civil in all of this.  I don't care what ideaology any of us have, we all share that human thing ... no?

Posted by Jason Sardi, Your Agent for Life (Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina) over 10 years ago

Jennifer, Hugh was just joking. Lighten up.

 

Posted by Cheri Smith, Realtor Prudential Gary Greene (Prudential Gary Greene, Cypress TX) over 10 years ago

Kevin, My parents like to take long drives on Sundays. They may drive to farmer's markets, outlet malls, drive through neighborhoods and generally just look at the scenery.

It's a calming ritual they have that I think is GREAT. They spend time together. They can talk. They are relaxed. They get out of the house. They help promote local farms and businesses.

There is nothing wrong with that.

I don't know why the guy said what he said but there's nothing wrong with joy riding. If you are paying for the gas who cares.

As for that comment about the military guys fighting for oil.....she obviously doesn't know to many military guys. They love to joy ride, you should see them in hum-vees when no one is looking. lol.

 

Posted by Cheri Smith, Realtor Prudential Gary Greene (Prudential Gary Greene, Cypress TX) over 10 years ago

Cheri- usually jokes are funny. Obviously, I know he didn't mean it in a literal sense. But the spirit of it is clear- he hates liberals and wants us all dead. Got it, loud and clear. It's a shame he lives in a free country. He would probably feel more comfortable in a strict theocracy where dissent is not allowed.

 

Jason- I've heard good things about you. I will be over to check out your blog.

Posted by Jennifer Monastero, The Matchmaker over 10 years ago

Cheri- why is impossible for you guys to not ASSUME things? I know plenty of military men and women- including those who have served in Iraq. So re-read what I wrote, and stop making quick judgements.

Posted by Jennifer Monastero, The Matchmaker over 10 years ago

Kevin: your arguments might be given more credibility if you weren't such a piece of shit. You owe J-Mac an apology. I suggest you make one.

Posted by Inna Hardison, Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group (ha media group) over 10 years ago

Kevin - J-mac is a friend of mine - completely misguided in this regard, and that is part of what makes America so beautiful. He and I could not be further apart politically on this issue, and yet we will have a great time when he joins me at the Tampa Bay Bucs next season. This is of course a free country and if you choose to leave your comment on my blog, I will not delete it. I am however asking you to reconsider the nature of your previous posting on my blog. I don't think you meant it and I don't think it's a joke either.

Posted by Simon Conway (Orlando Area Real Estate Services) over 10 years ago

Well put and well done Simon.

Posted by Jason Sardi, Your Agent for Life (Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina) over 10 years ago

Kevin ~

Congratulations this post is now featured in Silent Majority Group of Active Rain.

Posted by Broker Nick, Broker Nick Relocation Broker Service (South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc.) over 10 years ago

Interesting decision Nicholas, especially considering the nature of Kevin's comment ...

Posted by Jason Sardi, Your Agent for Life (Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina) over 10 years ago

Nick, why am i not surprised:-(

Posted by Inna Hardison, Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group (ha media group) over 10 years ago

Jason, Inna- you've encountered Nicholas before :) How can anyone be surprised at his encouragement and praise of bad behavior?

 

Posted by Jennifer Monastero, The Matchmaker over 10 years ago

Congratulations on Your Featured Post Kevin.

Posted by Mike Postell (Real Living Realty Services) over 10 years ago

Wow. Bush supporters rewarding idiocy. Nothing new here. Keep making excuses for divisive, immature and unneeded comments.

 

Simon- how do you know it is not YOU who are 'misguided'? Maybe we are all misguided and need to work with each other to find real solutions?

Posted by Jennifer Monastero, The Matchmaker over 10 years ago

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Liberals are to blame for everything, Blah, Blah, Blah. Way to keep it simple.

Posted by Israel Barden (RE/MAX Big Bear Village) over 10 years ago

Kevin Robinson Profile:

  I am currently working on getting my Idaho license. I will update this site when I do finalize it.

It's been 4 months....Focus Kevin Focus...

We know how hard it is for you to comprehend those big liberal words on the real estate exam. We're sorry for you that an elite liberal wrote the text book and test from their liberal academic ivory tower.

Posted by Licence Tutor over 10 years ago

LOL @ Licence Tutor.  You do have a point there.

Posted by Jason Sardi, Your Agent for Life (Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina) over 10 years ago

There is a law professor at the University of Oregon, I believe her name is Mary Woods. She is proposing that the government make the atmosphere a national resource and control and regulate it's use. This would include the possibility of rationing how many miles a person could drive in any given period, how much of a carbon footprint they could leave, based upon local power sources, etc.

Why is it that you never see the same people who ask questions like - why should we be using oil for non-essential items while men  & women are fighting a war for it?  - never found to be posting any comments in response to posts honoring those same men & women?

Posted by Mike Saunders (Lanier Partners) over 10 years ago

Quick lesson on reading comprehension- MY comment was based on a discussion board comment made by SOMEONE ELSE, on another website.

Why is it that those who say they 'honor the men and women fighting for America' degrade their worth and disrepect their sacrifice by asking repeatedly FOR MORE TAX CUTS! Answer that one, at least there's a shred of truth to it.

 

I honor those who choose to serve by not disrepecting them, and by loving those who I know personally as much as is humanly possible. Do you know anyone who is currently serving, Mike? I do. So stop making idiotic comments, ok?

 

PS- whoever this Mary Woods woman is, she is not running for President. It's is unlikely that she will get her way. Should we silence all thoughts in the name of appeasing Mike Saunders? I think not. It's a free country. Deal with it.

Posted by Jennifer Monastero, The Matchmaker over 10 years ago

Jennifer,

Our troops pay taxes too and I know they need tax cuts.  How this is disrespecting troops, I don't know.

Oh, glad to see YOU never attack anyone.

Posted by John Hersey, e-PRO Realtor (Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Homesale Realty) over 10 years ago

John- thanks for NOT paying for our troops medical care, body armor, psychological counseling, food, water and toilet paper. They appreciate the fact that you can now go eat at Sizzler three times a month, instead of just the once. I think a tax cut at 30k/year is just a tad different than a tax cut at 250k a year... just a thought.

 

I only 'attack' when I am attacked.

Posted by Jennifer Monastero, The Matchmaker over 10 years ago

Jennifer - sorry to put your boxers in a bunch. Seems like I hit a nerve. I have seen you, as well as several other people, make  comments in that same vein before. It appears you have no problem referencing the men and women in harms way to put an emotional, but totally unrelated, exclamation point on your POV. (i.e. Americans should sacrifice & ration now because they did in WWII).

Unfortunately, if Gore and the rest of the knee jerk responders to this yet undetermined global warming hysteria have there way, Mary Woods and the joy riding commentator might impose their values on the rest of us.

Jennifer, I know many who are now serving. I know some who have been injured. I know families who have lost members. I know many families who have loved ones over there right now. Comments like you just made only demonstrate a lack of maturity on your part. When you learn to debate with civility you might be taken a bit more seriously.

 

Posted by Mike Saunders (Lanier Partners) over 10 years ago

Mike- I had no idea you moonlight as a comedian.

 

It is a very valid point- not sure why it offends you so much. Someone has to pay for this war, Mike. All you and your friends do is complain. I just find it amusing.

Posted by Jennifer Monastero, The Matchmaker over 10 years ago

Well, Jennifer, I did serve my country and I think Mike did as well.  I know how troops are under paid.  I also know that I signed up on my own.  Nobody forced my to.  Whether we like it or not, when you enter the military, you are not in control.  Uncle Sam is and that is the way it is.  I am someone who likes to be in control and that is why I got out when the time came.  Some make a career of it and love it.

Posted by John Hersey, e-PRO Realtor (Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Homesale Realty) over 10 years ago

Jennifer - I am truly sorry for you

Posted by Mike Saunders (Lanier Partners) over 10 years ago

Oh and Jennifer, You don't know how much money I make, how many times I eat out, how much I give away to others, so why are you even going there?

So, if you attack after being attacked, that is OK.  See, I thought that was wrong for me to do but I am just trying to figure things out here.

Posted by John Hersey, e-PRO Realtor (Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Homesale Realty) over 10 years ago

Mike- ???

 

John- point to an attack, please... You know what an 'analogy' is right? I don't know what you make, just proving a point by way of using an 'analogy'. You do understand the main point, right???

Posted by Jennifer Monastero, The Matchmaker over 10 years ago

Laughing at Sardi's comment! I love ivory towers. In fact I sell them. Anyone have a qualified buyer for my newest listing?

Posted by Jennifer Monroe, Real Estate REALTORĀ®/Broker in Beautiful Charlotte (Savvy + Company Real Estate) over 10 years ago

Yes, Jennifer - an analogy is like saying a group of people vote like lemmings.

I am sure you did not mean to offend anybody.

 

Posted by Ted Baker, MidFloridaMediation.com (Carmody and Associates LLC) over 10 years ago

There is remarkable clarity in this election.  I do not fear that Senator Obama and the radical democrat wing of the party won't do what they say they will do.  I am concerned that, given a chance, that they will do exactly what they say they will do.  We have certainly been warned.

Two years ago, the Democrats took over majority control of Congress.  Despite the fact that they gained that control by running more moderate candidates, the new majority placed in the leadership positions the most far left wing partisans available.  Very little has been accomplished in the last two years other than investigations and constant attempts at "gotcha" politics directed at the President - to include a recent bill asking for impeachment.  (oh yes, and of course the delivery of authgraphed baseballs to committee members) The Democrat party and the media have ignored the progress being made in Iraq because it didn't fit with their agenda.  Well, to quote Senator Obama's pastor, Democrat chickens come home to roost too.

This promises to be a more interesting election season than I might have expected.  Even if Senator McCain is not as conservative as I might have hoped, there are significant differences between the nominees of the major parties.  The public will have a choice.

 

Posted by Ted Baker, MidFloridaMediation.com (Carmody and Associates LLC) over 10 years ago

Kevin, WOw.. I really think you are looking into what is not there.  You really need to get out more.. hey how about a bike ride

Posted by Matthew J Blum - (retired from the business) over 10 years ago

Jennifer ~ I think Ted Baker just gave you the spanking you deserve. When you have rational things to say you can come and speak with the adults.

Posted by Broker Nick, Broker Nick Relocation Broker Service (South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc.) over 10 years ago

Nick- where did he spank me? I seem to have missed that. Was it in the stereotypical drivel? Or the parroting of Rush Limbaugh? Or the misinformation tirade? In fact, nothing he said is remotely worth responding to. Just because I don't think gay people are going to Hell and God didn't create AIDS to kill gays and fornicators, I'M not rational? Yeah, I see your logic there...

 

 

Posted by Jennifer Monastero, The Matchmaker over 10 years ago

The Democrat party and the media have ignored the progress being made in Iraq because it didn't fit with their agenda.  Well, to quote Senator Obama's pastor, Democrat chickens come home to roost too.

Oh yeah, that is saying gay people are going to hell.

Do you listen to yourself.

Ted Baker is trying to teach you something, but you are too ignorant to listen.

All you do is try to spew your smoke and mirrors. Show me where Ted spoke of anything you ahve just said?

You don't respond to him because he intimidates you with knowledge that you don't possess.

Posted by Broker Nick, Broker Nick Relocation Broker Service (South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc.) over 10 years ago

And now a commercial break!

Posted by Jason Sardi, Your Agent for Life (Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina) over 10 years ago

Hmmm... guess I have to check out Simon's blog to see what happened.  When I worked at the police department (that's right, me at the PD), joyriding was used when someone took another person's vehicle without permission to enjoy driving.  I'll go look at Simon's blog & see what this is all about.  I did, however, from my bible reading, hear that gluttony was a sin.  Which would mean driving just for the sake of driving when people are dying to secure more oil is gluttony.  Right? 

Posted by Chris Fisher (Your Virtual Assistant) over 10 years ago

Oh, come on now. Now driving to sight see is equal to the sin of gluttony? Liberal guilt. Pure and simple.

Posted by Broker Nick, Broker Nick Relocation Broker Service (South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc.) over 10 years ago

Of course it is liberal guilt and that is why I made the comment on Simon's blog. If someone feels that the planet is in so much peril that joyriding is a crime against humanity, then they should lead the way. My comment is aimed at all of those who have so much guilt about the fact that they are a human and are using natural resources. If ones guilt is so high about being on the planet, then leave the planet. Don't force ridiculous rules on the rest of us.

This blog obviously hit a nerve with some libs because that is how they think. They want to make decisions for us based upon what they feel is right. Freedom will be out the window. Joyriding will be just one of the pleasures taken away and I have no doubt that some of the things that I listed will come to fruition, at least in liberal minds. A very liberal sociologist named Peter Singer has actually called for removing physically weak people from the planet. That is the end result of where this type of thinking is going. It is the old "it is good for all of us" argument. Be careful of it at all costs.

I will personally fight to the last drop of my life to fight against someone saying that joyriding is a crime. I will fight for their right to say it, but I will debate them at all turns. That type of thinking goes directly against our American way of life and it is wrong.

 As far as all of the personal insults go, I will repeat my favorite saying: The open minded intelligencia have struck again!

Posted by Kevin Robinson, Fractional Developer over 10 years ago

Kevin ~ Chris can read her Bible while you are joyriding. That solves the problem.

Posted by Broker Nick, Broker Nick Relocation Broker Service (South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc.) over 10 years ago

Nicholas - I said this:  driving just for the sake of driving when people are dying to secure more oil is gluttony.  That sounds disrespectful to me.  But maybe that's just me.  Has nothing to do with liberal guilt or the environment.

Kevin - I didn't say joyriding was a crime.  Just responded to your extreme and ridiculous over reaction to someone's statement with logic.  Sorry if that confused you.  I wasn't talking about the environment at all, by the way, so what the hell are you talking about the planet for?  Also - didn't insult anyone so what is this for?  "The open minded intelligencia have struck again!"

Chris

Posted by Chris Fisher (Your Virtual Assistant) over 10 years ago

Jennifer, I was a military wife. We had it pretty darn good when you view it correctly.

We got free medical. FREE. Granted you had to have a pap from a guy in combat boots but hey, it was free. Not even a copay. The military paid for me to give birth to 3 kids. I didn't pay a dime.

I got to move to Panama. It was PARADISE. Beautiful. They moved my car over there, flew me and the 3 kids over there for FREE, gave me a two story cabana, and that house was FREE. I even had a maid while living there. When the year was up they moved me back to America free of charge. Same goes for when I lived in Washington for over 4 years.

I got to shop at the PX and commissary and guess what....the food was cheaper than anywhere else. What a nice perk.

I had free security. Nice guys at the gate knew me by name. I still had to present my ID to some newbies if I wasn't in my car with my stickers but all in all it was nice in all the places we lived because we were protected in our community.

Hubby got paid pretty good considering at the time he had no college education. HEck, one time he even got a $20,000 bonus just for reenlisting. Must be why he's going on 20 years now.

Speaking of college, the exhubby is now working on his masters degree. PAid for by ....yep the Army.

He's also had two more children....on the military dime.

Buying a home was a breeze. Good old VA benefits. He just bought his 3rd house.

We had so many support groups it got old. I was on a volleyball team, got to do aerobics for free every day with an instructor they paid for.

There are and were so many perks to being in the military that it's unbelievable.

It sucked because he had to live in Hawaii for a year, Italy for 6 months, Germany. Man, he's had it real tough there.

Now I won't deny he's put his life on the line. He's been to the middle east more times than I can count. I gave birth while he was in Korea, I gave birth while he was in Kuwait and I gave birth while he was in boot camp. Those were sort of hardships. He did get extra pay while on real hardship tours. HE also didn't have to pay federal tax during those times.

However, when you compare it to the settlers of this country who had to fight the indians daily, he's really not had it that bad. Previous veterans never had it as good as the current military. Most of them choose to be there and they like it.

They like their jobs. They believe in what they are doing. It doesn't matter if they are fighting to protect oil or food supplies or playstations, they believe in it. They understand that it's necessary to protect the way of life back here that we have all come to know.

The ones that don't.....they don't have to reenlist. They can get other jobs.

They go into this knowing they may die. It's pretty heroic if you ask me.

You should look at this from varying viewpoints. You will see that the majority of the military are more sattisfied with their jobs than the average worker.

They feel they are making a difference in the world. They are making history.

and yes, they are over there so you and I can waste gas if we feel like it and you bet your butt they will do the same when they get back home.

Guess what administration closed more bases than any other in my lifetime?

Clinton. If I remember correctly he was a democrat. Yeah, he really cared about the military and they just LOVED him. He couldn't shut down bases fast enough. Good thing his wife isn't going to be president. She'd close the rest of them and we'd have no military.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted by Cheri Smith, Realtor Prudential Gary Greene (Prudential Gary Greene, Cypress TX) over 10 years ago

Cheri - WONDERFUL tribute to our military and how we (rightly!) take care of them and their families. I'd call the Pentagon and send them your last post. It should be a full page ad in all the major newspapers across the country.

Posted by Simon Conway (Orlando Area Real Estate Services) over 10 years ago

My father was poisoned by Agent Orange in Vietnam. He was drafted and forced to kill other humans in the jungle in a war that shouldn't have happened. He lost many friends. When he got back, he wasn't quite right. They didn't admit to either Agent Orange or Post Traumatic Stress back then. He developed strange rashes all over his body which nobody would admit was related to Agent Orange. He had never had them in his life until he was sprayed. He would have anxiety attacks often and had trouble in social situations. After almost 30 years, the Veterans Administration filed a lawsuit on his behalf. After almost 30 years, he is getting a fair shake. 30 years was too long.

Posted by Israel Barden (RE/MAX Big Bear Village) over 10 years ago

Chris, I was not addressing you in that comment. I did not even see yours until now.

Wow! Rich removed my post on Simon's blog. He said I slandered the joyriding is a crime guy. I suggested that he remove himself from the planet if he is worried about joyriding. Hey Rich, is calling me "a piece of shit" slander or is that OK? Just kinda confused. Also, who complained this time?

 

Posted by Kevin Robinson, Fractional Developer over 10 years ago

Israel,

I am so sorry about your Dad... I truly am. That is bad what happened to him.. Not a perfect system. War is Hell .

 I went through the Vietnam era. I saw many young people avoid the draft. There were M.D.'s who would give fake physical exemptions. I had a college roomate who tatooed F_ _K you on his salute hand to keep from going...he finally got out on a fake pysical.  I witnessed many young people including myself protesting the war making fools of themselves. Nearly every demonstration I went to was nothing more than excuse to party and get rowdy. None of the people I knew could tell you why they were protesting.   Most were too high to know why anyway.  I saw young people running aroiund with hammer and sickle  and Chez Guevera t- shirts on. They didn't even know who Chez was! They just came to the "party" .

But the one thing I do remember was that the few conservatives at that time who were allowed to speak (which was rare) knew what they believed and why, and they didn't need drugs to motivate them to say what was in their hearts and minds. That was the image that change my belief system.

Those were rough and crazy times. 

Now on the flip side look at the Republican Presidential candidate's stint in Vietnam...what he went through is indescribable.  He still chose to stay after being offered an opportunity to come home by his evil captors. A real hero and brother to his men, a man  who refused to leave them and then was tortured for not bailing on them and now he still believes in his country and his vision and is running for president.....Some might say his country let him down. He certainly has that perrogative to say so....but he didn't.

 

 

Posted by Trey Thurmond, College Station , Texas Homes (BCR Realtors) over 10 years ago

Nice comparison piece Trey. I had a few uncles that joined willingly. One was a ground pounder and the other an aviator. Both won numerous medals and both ended up staying in for 20. Neither will ever talk about Vietnam.

Posted by Kevin Robinson, Fractional Developer over 10 years ago

Things are different now. The Armed Forces are all voluntary and everybody who is in them, wants to be there. While I don't agree with how they are being used, I would never denigrate their bravery and service. They deserve allof our respect and gratitude.

Posted by Israel Barden (RE/MAX Big Bear Village) over 10 years ago

When I joined Uncle Sams USMC, I knew that I may get used by politicians and possibly shot at by some enemy. It did not stop me becasue I wanted to stand up and represent my country like my forefathers had done. Doing what is scary and dangerous and RIGHT is the domain of good Americans. To some, it is a responsibility.

Posted by Kevin Robinson, Fractional Developer over 10 years ago

Kevin, calling you a piece of shit is not slander. (Actually, the word you are looking for is libel, not slander, but that makes no difference). Had I called you a Nazi or some other thing that could be construed as factual, hence possibly true - you might have a case. Calling you what I did, however, would have to be construed by a reasonable human being as true in order for you to have a libel case.

As for Rich reomoving your comment, i wouldn't have done that, since I simply don't believe in censorship, nor does Simon, from what I gather. But this is not our forum, and the moderators can handle it however they see fit.


Hope this helps:-)

Posted by Inna Hardison, Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group (ha media group) over 10 years ago

Inna ~ No calling someone a piece of ..... is nothing but crude and ignorant. Nothing like having a different point of view than your liberal mindset and there you go again attacking the person that differs according to your abrasive style. And you call that a sense of humor.

Typical

Posted by Broker Nick, Broker Nick Relocation Broker Service (South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc.) over 10 years ago

Kevin - I do not agree with censorship and your post should not have been removed. Equally I did not agree with your sentiment on this one and said so. It annoys me that if John did not ask you to remove it, someone else made that decision.

Once again - power to censor leads some people to massively overreact. If we cannot speak our mind in the United States then there is little hope for our future. And also, I do not see the point of the following if AR is simply going to remove things it doesn't agree with.

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Posted by Simon Conway (Orlando Area Real Estate Services) over 10 years ago

Participate