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Caring for the poor

How many times have we heard libs tell us that they are "for the poor". They want to help them. It is obvious to no one but libs, I guess.

Here is a basic truth about people who are poor: They have little or no money! Duh. To some though, that seems to be a tough concept to comprehend. Take for example our esteemed Senatorial lawamkers. In their latest meeting of the minds, they have come up with a better way to save the poor from this whole "You have no healthcare, you jerk, now you will pay". Instead of fining the family $1900 per year for not being able to afford healthcare, now the brain surgeons that try to lead us will only charge $750 per adult. That ought to make things better. It certainly makes me feel good.

Next, the Senators decided to "help" retirees. Any retiree that has worked hard and gets a great medical plan will get to pay a fine. Actually the insurance company that provides the plan gets to pay a 40% excise tax on any benefits that it provides over $9850 per retiree. The joke stops here. $9850 is nothing in this expensive world in which we live. A retiree can blow through that in one hour. Thanks for the help liberal Senators. I wonder what that will do to reitrees plans? One needs to have an IQ over 50 to figure that out.

Of course they also introduced some loopholes. If a family must pay over 8% of its income to buy healthcare, they are exempt from the tax. So lets do some math. a family of four that makes $20000 per year, just under the poverty level, can either buy insurance or pay the fine. The fine will amount to $1500 per year, just a bit lower than paying 8% ($1600) of their income for healthcare. No problem. They probably did not buy insurance because of the extra 100 bucks.

Damn these folks are good. At what, I truly do not know.


Comment balloon 14 commentsKevin Robinson • October 02 2009 10:32AM


I love when I come across a great post like this one. Keep them coming!

Posted by Jeremy K. Frost, Associate Broker, CNE, CRS, ePro, PSA (Keller Williams Realty) over 9 years ago

I don't know what these people are smoking, but it should be illegal.  What a bunch of A..holes!

Posted by Bob Cumiskey, US Army Retired, Your Sun City Center, Florida ~ Realtor (A1 Connection Realty, Inc.) over 9 years ago

We are from the government and we are here to help.

Posted by Hugh Krone, Realtor, Sussex County NJ (Weichert Referral Associates) over 9 years ago

Kevin - I have said it before and will say it again, it isn't about helping people, it is about controlling them.

Posted by Mike Saunders (Lanier Partners) over 9 years ago

Whether they will admit it or not, they're really just working hard at creating more dependents - people dependent on the government.  THAT'S what they're good at.

Posted by David Holzmann (Holzmann & Associates) over 9 years ago

Instead of all this nonsense of fining people and writing a 1000 page bill that nobody can understand, why not just simplify the process.  Let people into medicare and figure out some reasonable charge for that.  Open up some free clinics and require doctors to offer a certain amount of pro bono services per year in order to keep their license - then let them deduct the pro bono as a tax write off.  Then work to increase competition so that the prices will go down.  It's not that hard, really.

Posted by Rob Arnold, Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F (Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc.) over 9 years ago

Well David, You seem to be worried about Dependants, Than lets offer Free Abortions That way there won't be any more poor people to pay for...

Posted by Jane Wallace, CRS | SRES, Denver Real Estate (HomeSmart Cherry Creek) over 9 years ago

Sorry Jane, while I am pro-choice, I can't support your preferred policy.  It'd be much too offensive and close to fulfilling the founder of Planned Parenthood's real goal.  Instead, let's do what we can to get people free from the expectation of governmental handouts, and learn to be doing whatever they can to be self-sufficient.  That way, despite the fact that the poor will be with us always, we'll get back on track as the most productive country, with the possibility of also continuing to be the country with the most generous, giving, and compassionate population of individuals.

Posted by David Holzmann (Holzmann & Associates) over 9 years ago

I Totally Agree With You David, It Just seems that People Who are Against Abortion are also Against Caring For People.

Posted by Jane Wallace, CRS | SRES, Denver Real Estate (HomeSmart Cherry Creek) over 9 years ago

Glad to hear that, Jane!

It seems to me, though, that people who claim to be pro-life are in favor of caring for people intelligently, not just on a level to make oneself feel good.  They tend to want the government to butt out of charitable giving and leave that up to individuals and charitable organizations.  This is so that the charity is voluntary, not forced.

Nobody I know wants to be forced to do anything... especially not under the threat of violence or imprisonment.  (The line comes to mind: "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.") 

Giving out abortions, or health care, or welfare, or virtually anything, using funds gathered under governmental force (taxes), is not going to endear the "givers" (taxpayers) to the "receivers".  Nor is it going to provide the "receivers" any incentive to do anything but sit back and hold their hand out for more... what I called being "dependent."

Getting back to what Kevin wrote about...

Our Legislators (on both sides of the aisle) have been fairly consistently demonstrating that they're most interested in creating dependents and thereby increasing their own power and likelihood of getting re-elected.  Yet their proposals show a disconnect between what they say they're trying to accomplish (help the poor) and what they're actually accomplishing (helping almost no one, except themselves.)

Posted by David Holzmann (Holzmann & Associates) over 9 years ago

We are only getting bits and pieces of the penalties and costs associated with this reform.  No one is going to get a free ride.  So the poor who are at the poverty level will be exempt from buying insurance. 

Aren't they the same ones who don't have it now?

Posted by Bonnie Vaughan, CNE SFR - Buyers/Sellers - Lackawanna & Surroundin over 9 years ago

David/Jane - studies have demonstrated conclusively that those that oppose abortion actually end up caring the most about people. Lane Bailey and I have both posted about that. You can read Arthur Brooks and Peter Schwiezer for an analysis of multiple independant studies. Lane also has some pertinent links on his post about greed and generosity. The authors above and Lane's links pretty much bust the myth that liberals spread.

Posted by Mike Saunders (Lanier Partners) over 9 years ago

I can't believe how libs just spew out insults without any facts supporting it. Those who oppose abortions are uncaring people? We have been called racist, uncaring because we don't want abortion on demand. Where is the caring soul for the unborn?

Posted by Broker Nick, Broker Nick Relocation Broker Service (South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc.) over 9 years ago

And What about Caring for The Born? (Public Option)

Hey if your Against Abortion Don't Have One

Posted by Jane Wallace, CRS | SRES, Denver Real Estate (HomeSmart Cherry Creek) over 9 years ago